Off-season 2011 Thread

Discussion in 'Hockey Talk' started by m_peroni, Jun 22, 2011.

  1. m_peroni

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    Okay, i had enough with the playoffs talk. Let's move on.

    Draft day coming up. I was quite surprised at TSN's mock draft had Larsson as first overall. THe rumors now have it that the Oilers and Panthers may swap picks. That could be an interesting event.

    Flyers may end up trading a player or two to free up some cap space in order to sign Bryzgalov under $59.4M current cap.

    For the summer, team can exceed the $64M cap ceiling to $70.4M.

    Rangers have some big decisions to make as Drury's injury disables the Blueshirts to buy him out. It is possible that they may elect to buy out Redden.

    It has been suggested that Luongo is disturbed by Vancouver's outrage on his performance. Though the hockey club itself has not blamed anyone in particular, the pressure mounting on Luongo is rumored to have lowered his morale. A report suggested the Panthers could take him back.

    A lot can happen within the next couple of weeks.
     
  2. Die-hard1

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    ESPN is reporting Bryzgalov's new contract at 7 years, $50 million. If that's correct it's a huge amount of money, but given Philly's choices in goalies over the past 20 years I'm not surprised. It will mean they definitely have to get rid of at least one big salary (i.e. Versteeg won't be enough) in order to get under the cap, even at $64 million. Will be interesting to see.

    Luongo isn't going anywhere - Canucks management is among the most patient in the league and they have a goalie who played great up until the final series. He's going to be in Van next year and will hopefully prove the doubters wrong.

    If I'm the Oilers I either take Nugent-Hopkins or I trade down. He's easily the best player in the draft IMHO, and you can get a very good d-man at 4 or 5. I happen to think they need a center just as much as a d-man so I'm not really sure why they would pass on Nugent-Hopkins.

    It will be interesting to see what happens with free agents this year - with the cap floor being raised as much as it is a number of the lower revenue teams will be forced to spend to get to the floor. I think we'll see a few stupid contracts this year, the Bryzgalov one being the first.
     
  3. Sir Rodney

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    Regarding Luongo, I don't think any of the problems exist within the team itself. I haven't picked up on anything even remotely suggesting that the team felt Luongo let them down. The whining is coming from the same type of fans who were involved in the riot. The sense of entitlement that this group has is unbelievable. If Luongo is getting his supposed frustration out of social media, he should switch to porn rather than sports for dummies. At least there, he would know it's all fake. I have come to the conclusion in sites like Canucks.Com there are so many contributors who haven't learned the fundamental axiom that just because you can type, it doesn't mean you should. When it ever reached the stage where that criticism was coming from within, then I would start being concerned.

    As for the next week, they call it silly season for a reason. All the anticipation of teams moving up or down in the Draft might well be part of the hype to get the fans to watch. I could never see myself actually going to the Draft. To me that's an event made for the PVR. I will give Burkey credit though when he wheeled and dealed to get both the twins, that was incredible, made even more sweet when it involved the one team I was interested in. If it ever reached that stage, Florida does make sense, particularly with Gina, Gabriella and Giani (do you see a trend here?) still living there.

    I found McQuire's first overall pick interesting as well. I doubt it will happen. I even doubt they will trade down to get anyone other than Nugent-Hopkins. McQuire is more likely correct with his Canucks' pick. David Musil's name has come up a few times from other sources.

    The cap floor going up isn't necessarily going to help the Canucks. If anything, it will hurt the low revenue teams struggling to meet the cap floor. The bidding from the richer teams will just drive up the prices as the pool of players who have attracted interest won't be any bigger.

    Where I see the Canucks as players in the July grab will be with marginal increases as opposed to big impact players. Their biggest news will be in the current players who stay as opposed to the names coming in. Awwww dang, Stamkos looks like he's staying in Tampa.
     
  4. m_peroni

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    That's ridiculous. For just two very good seasons and a mediocre playoff record? Good luck Philly....

    I agree on the Oilers. Not sure why they would do it unless they see a dire need to get a top notch d-man in Larsson, which i'd also agree with that.

    I also don't think Luongo will be going anywhere anytime soon unless he demands so. Not sure if Florida fans would welcome him back as well.
     
  5. Die-hard1

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    Hi Sir,

    I think one trend we'll see this year is contracts like Ryan Smyth's being valuable - those that were front-loaded and have had a lot of the dollars paid, but still have a high cap hit. If I remember correctly his cap hit is somewhere around $6.25 million but he's only making $4 million this year. A team like Florida, Nashville or whoever else is losing big money each year would love a contract like this.

    I expect some of the lower revenue teams will be after players such as this, so they can keep their payrolls low and their cap payrolls at the floor.
     
  6. rikster

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    Hi mick...

    Are the numbers we see in the rumors regarding the Flyers and their goaltender anywhere close to being accurate?...

    If so, would they consider a Luongo for Carter type deal?

    Take care...
     
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    Draft- Ryan Murphy

    Having that last 1st acquired in the Kessel trade is another great piece the B's can add.

    Looking more and more like the Bruins will draft Ryan Murphy. Love this kids potential. Worse comes to worse, if he cant handle the blueline due to his size, every projects him as being able to transtion to wing. Worst case, his team could end up with a slightly lesser version of Marty St. Louis.

    Other guys they are interested are Zinadejab(sp?), Strome, Beaulieu.

    Who knows, but regardless its another high upside kid coming in.

    As for UFAs it now appears that Boston has focused on 2 potential acquisitions at forward. I must say that forward is their area of least concern, after goalie. They are more than happy moving forward with the current forward group, plus 5 high ceiling kids:
    1. Ryan Spooner
    2. Jordan Caron
    3. Ryan Knight
    4. Maxime Sauve
    5. Craig Cunningham

    But if they choose the UFA, or trade route, it appears that these 3 may be their main focus
    1. Simon Gagne.
    2. And the Bruins may be a team that is willing to "help" the Flyers in their efforts to shed salary in order to sign Bryzgalov. Word is the Bruins have interest in Ville Leino.
    3. Brookes Laich
    4. Jussi Jokinen
    5. Erik Cole

    On the blueline, Chia is meeting with Kaberle and his agent next Tuesday. Kaberle said he wants to stay in Boston, but nobody knows if management shares that desire. Winning the Cup makes it easier to walk away from him and move in a different direction. Here are what is believe dto be their top 4 choices on the blueline:
    1. Kevin Bieksa
    2. Eric Brewer
    3. Joni Pitkanen
    4. James Wisniewski

    Just what seems to be coming out of Boston.A lot depends on what the results of Chiareillis meetings with Ryder and Kaberle on Monday and Tuesday are. Many believe they will be offered contracts, with Kaberle expected to be asked to take a 1/4 to 1/3 cut from his current salary to somewhere between 2.75 and 3 mil on a 1 or 2 year deal.

    Later
     
  8. m_peroni

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    So far nothing new on the Bryzgalov news, but it could be a wait due to the NHL not officially announcing the $64M salary cap. Right now no team can exceed the $59.4M salary cap, so it's possible that the Bryzgalov signing will be announced either tomorrow (Friday), due to some cap trade that the Flyers make, or on June 30, which would be the latest for the NHL to announce the salary cap.

    I think the Flyers will take Bryzgalov and look no further for any other goalie. He is their guy. And Luongo is most likely not considered to be traded anytime soon by the Canucks, that is unless he demands a trade.

    I think the Flyers will trade Versteeg and either Matt Carle or Braydon Coburn. Carcillo will be let go. Leighton could be traded as well, or bought out. I think Powe and Nodl are easy signings to keep. Laperriere will retire and not count against the cap. In the end, the Flyers will clear between $6.5M to $8.5M depending on their decisions.

    The easy part for the Flyers is getting rid of these players. None of these players are necessarily overpaid because most teams around the league would acquire them. So, it's not like they are stuck with a terrible contract and trying to dump it. They will get interest for Versteeg, for Carle, and especially for Coburn if they elect to trade him. These three guys are free agents next year as well, with Carle and Coburn as UFA.

    The only problem is how much the Flyers will get in return for these players. Mid round draft picks? B-level prospects at best? A 3rd line player to fill a hole?

    But, i think the only way Carter goes is if the Flyers get a top five pick, and solid roster player(s). I would not be surprised if the Islanders pull such a deal either.

    We'll see.... i think the next two weeks will be headline filled, starting tomorrow.
     
  9. The Messenger

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    Re: Draft- Ryan Murphy

    Not really fair Bruins winning the Stanley Cup and drafting top 10 two years in a row at my Leafs expense.

    Damn you Burke. !!! [​IMG]
    This post was edited on 6/23 7:47 AM by The Messenger
     
  10. m_peroni

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    Re: Draft- Ryan Murphy

    Yeah, Burke did kinda mess that up. But, there's still time to make things right.
     
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    Re: Liles a Leaf!

    Good trade Leafs! Liles is a skilled d-man and i always liked him. I think he fits just fine in Toronto.

    I wonder if this means the Avs will definitely pick Larsson.
     
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    So, the Wild may have pulled off a good deal here knowing Burns was not going to re-sign with them. Setoguchi will have to prove himself, though, and adjust to not playing with Thorton, Clowe, Marleau, and Heatley. Good prospect acquired as well.

    Sharks get a hell of a player in Burns. This guy will score career highs, no doubt.
     
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    And the Panthers pull a heck of a deal as well. I always liked Olesz, i think his development has been pushed back due to injuries. No doubt he improved the use of his size this past season, but offense is still a working in progress.

    Panthers get a proven d-man, solid...exciting to watch, and it also means that moving a forward out allows a new forward to come in.

    I loved that trade a bunch.

    The draft was dull to watch. Apparently, according to McGuire, all of these prospects were studs, rock stars, awesome, and what not. I think i could do that job on TV as well.

    I was surprised to see the Avs picking Landeskog. I was sure they were going to go after Larsson since trading Liles. I have some slight concerns on Huberdeau, but we'll see.

    I didn't like the Rangers pick at all. He seems like a 3rd line offensive forward.

    I think teams missed out on a very good prospect in Rocco Grimaldi. Nothing really shocking in terms of picks. I think Ottawa threw the dice a lot by trading up in hopes of picking a better player. I don't think there was any need to.
     
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    Guys, this thread is made to post the recent news. Stop adding threads!!!!
     

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